Where we start
A bench is a fixed person and a fixed clock, so that when two ways of asking get two different results the only thing that differed was the asking. The person is constructed: Harbourline is invented and so is Adeline, and every fact on her sheet, every minute cost and every trust gate is printed in a file you can open and change. What the bench claims is not a number about pharmacies. It is a mechanism, shown as an ordering you can reproduce: jargon costs twice, leading questions record beliefs that are wrong, and the facts a model most depends on come out only when you ask for the outcome before you ask for the data.
★ What you walk out with tonight. Your own question bank sorted into the five kinds, the counted answer to "what is the framework worth against a shuffle" (46 against 27.5, on this sheet), the reason asking what a wrong guess costs in the first ten minutes is worth 9 more points, the reason the fastest interview scores near the bottom, and one run of the meeting in your own hands with a score beside the presets.
Five kinds of question, one of which earns trust
7 min liveEvery question in the bank is one of five kinds, and Adeline answers each kind differently. The kinds are not about wording. They are about what comes back: a fact, nothing, a generic, a request to explain yourself, or an agreement with something you assumed. The scientist's door, outcome, holds the fact that decides what a model would even predict, and it is opened by one kind only.
LiveWhat each kind gets back, and what it costs3 min▶
Open. About the past or the present, answerable by anyone who runs the business. "What exactly runs out? Which products, which outlets, and how do you find out it happened?" It costs three to five minutes, it uncovers the facts behind its door, and it earns a point of trust, which is the currency the sensitive facts are priced in. Every open question in the bank carries a teach-back line.
Closed. Yes or no. "Is the van run weekly?" One or two minutes, one fact at most, and only the fact you already had the shape of. Cheap, and useful for confirming, but a meeting made of them learns nothing you did not walk in expecting.
Vague. "What would you like AI to do for you?" It sounds open. It is not, because it hands the design problem back to the person who came to you with it, and what comes back is a generic. Three minutes for a sentence you could have written yourself, and on the bench it reaches no fact at all.
Jargon. "What is the class imbalance on the positive label?" She has to ask what you mean, so it costs the question plus an explanation, five minutes rather than three, and she is a little less sure you understand her outlets. On the bench that is a point of trust lost, and it is the only kind that loses one. The irony is that it is a good question: it is the base rate, asked in a language she does not speak.
Leading. "So you want to forecast sales, right?" She says "I suppose so", because the question told her the expected answer and she is being polite. Nothing true came back. Something false went into your notes, and it costs later, when you train a model on the wrong target. On the bench a leading question records a belief with a cost attached, and the fast interview records five of them.
LiveThe scientist's door is outcome, and here is its bank3 min▶
A scientist's output is a prediction somebody acts on. The facts that decide whether it is worth building are the exact target, how often it happens today, and what each wrong guess costs, and they live behind door 1. On Adeline's sheet the single most valuable fact, worth 5 of 68, is that the thing going wrong is a stock-out of one of about 40 chronic-medication products at outlet level, not sales. The next two are that it happens about 30 times a month across 38 outlets, found only as complaint calls, and that a missed stock-out and an over-order cost different amounts: a patient lost and a complaint on one side, expiry write-off she is measured on the other.
The three open questions that open that door, each with its teach-back line, word for word from the bank:
- "What exactly runs out? Which products, which outlets, and how do you find out it happened?" Teach-back: "I need the exact thing that goes wrong before I can promise to predict it. Sales and stock-outs are different questions with different data."
- "Roughly how often does it happen in a month, across all the outlets?" Teach-back: "How often it happens is the first number any prediction is judged against. If it is rare, a model that says 'never' looks accurate and is useless."
- "When it happens, what does it cost you? And what does it cost when an outlet orders too much?" Teach-back: "A wrong guess in each direction costs something different, and the model has to be built to the ratio between them, not to a single accuracy number."
Asked first, the first and third put 12 points in your notes by minute 9 and take trust to 2. The first alone returns the target and the base rate together, because she is already talking about complaint calls. The door is widest for this role because every modelling decision later, the label, the threshold, the evaluation, is a guess until these three answers exist.
Self-studyThe whole bank, by kind3 min▶
Thirty-seven questions: twenty open (two to four per door), four vague, five jargon, five leading, three closed. The open ones are the sheet you built in session 1 with Adeline's answers already attached. The others are there because they are what gets asked in real meetings, and the bench needs them to show what they cost. The five jargon questions are all real modelling questions: labelled ground truth, class imbalance, a feature store, precision or recall, a rolling backtest. Every one is printed with its kind, its minute cost and the facts it reaches in the bank file the page loads; the widget below draws its buttons from that file, so what you click is what it counts.
| Kind | In the bank | Minutes | What comes back | Trust |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Open | 20 | 3 to 5 | The facts behind its door, when trust is high enough for them | +1 |
| Closed | 3 | 1 to 2 | One fact at most | 0 |
| Vague | 4 | 3 to 4 | A generic; at most one low-value fact | 0 |
| Jargon | 5 | 5 | "Sorry, what do you mean?" | -1 |
| Leading | 5 | 1 to 2 | "I suppose so", and a false belief with a cost of 2 to 4 | 0 |
The forecast nobody opened. A constructed case, like all of Harbourline, with a shape many teams will recognise. Adeline mentions it only once she trusts you: a vendor sold them an "AI demand forecast" last year. It forecast sales. Nobody used it, because sales were never the problem. The vendor's model may well have been accurate. It answered a question nobody at the outlets was asking, and the first outcome question on the sheet would have found that out in five minutes.
Five ways of asking, counted in front of you
★ 23 min · the main eventWork down the five presets in order. For each, read the verdict line, then the seven counters, then the transcript underneath: what you asked, what she said, what it was worth, and where trust stood. Say out loud what changed before moving to the next. Stop longest on the pair in the middle, the printed order and the tuned one, and find the minute where they part. The last preset is the anti-lever, the interview that looks most efficient, and the bench shows what it costs. Then the lower half of the widget gives you the chair: same person, same 45 minutes, your choice of questions, scored beside the presets.
Read it in this order. Net value, then false beliefs, then doors opened, then the "after 20 minutes" counter. Net value is what you can build on. False beliefs are what you will build wrong. Doors opened is whether you can write a brief at all. The 20-minute counter is what is in your notes if she gets called away, which happens, and for a scientist it answers a sharper question: do you know the target and the cost of each error yet, or only the data?
Same person, five answers
5 min liveThe bench above computes these live; the numbers here are the ones it produces on the printed bank, checked in node and identical in the browser, written down so they can be argued with after class. Change a value in the bank file and they move. The ordering does not.
| Way of asking | Net value | After 20 min | Facts | Doors | False beliefs | Questions |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| The efficient interview (leading and closed first) | 15 | -5 | 11 | 6 | 5 | 16 |
| The technical opener (five modelling questions first) | 10 | 0 | 4 | 3 | 0 | 10 |
| Any order at all (mean of 200 shuffles) | 27.5 | 13.0 | 12.0 | 5.5 | 2.4 | 14.1 |
| Six Doors, door by door | 46 | 20 | 15 | 6 | 0 | 11 |
| Six Doors, tuned for a scientist (outcome first) | 55 | 24 | 18 | 6 | 0 | 11 |
| Ceiling: an optimizer that can read the sheet | 61 | 33 |
All counted from the printed bank, in node and in the browser, with the same result. Random is a mean over 200 seeded shuffles; its best single draw is 46 and its worst is 0.
LiveFinding 1: asking what a wrong guess costs, early, is worth 9 points2 min▶
Six Doors in printed order gets 46 of 68 with no false beliefs and every door opened. Tuning the order outcome first gets 55, a gain of 9, the largest role gain of the four sibling courses. The two orders open with the same question and part at the second. The printed order asks how often it happens, which returns only 2 new points because the first answer already mentioned the complaint calls. The tuned order asks what each wrong guess costs, and gets the fact that a missed stock-out and an over-order are not the same size.
In the printed list the cost question sits thirteenth, and the 45 minutes run out after the eleventh question is asked. So does her own test of success: the question "how would you know it worked?" costs 4 minutes and the printed order reaches it with 3 left. The tuned order asks it at minute 31 and hears that she counts the complaint calls herself and does not care what the accuracy number is. A printed order spends its first minutes well. It simply reaches "what does a wrong guess cost" too late, and for a scientist that is the question the whole model is built to.
LiveFinding 2: a shuffle is not neutral, it is a spread2 min▶
Two hundred shuffles of the same bank average 27.5 and range from 0 to 46. The average is the meeting most people run when they have a good list and no order: some of the jargon lands early and costs trust, a leading question or two gets recorded, and a door stays shut. The best draw of two hundred only equals the printed order; none reaches the tuned one. The spread is the argument for an order at all. A method that scores 46 every time is worth more than one that scores 46 on its best day and 0 on its worst, and the bad days are the ones with the board in six weeks.
The ceiling, 61, is printed so the framework can be read honestly. It is an order found by a search that is allowed to read her fact sheet, which nobody in a real meeting can. Optimal against a known answer is not the same thing as good; the tuned framework is the thing you can do on Tuesday, blind, and get 55.
Self-studyFinding 3: jargon costs twice, and the second cost is the one that matters2 min▶
Five modelling questions in a row spend 25 of the 45 minutes and take trust to -3. The obvious cost is the minutes. The one that matters is what happens next. The first jargon question, "Do you have labelled ground truth for stock-out events?", is the right question: there is no stock history at all, because the spreadsheet is overwritten every Friday. She cannot answer it in that language. When the plain version comes later, "Is there any record of past stock levels, or only of sales?", trust is still too low and she does not volunteer it. The technical opener ends with 4 facts, 3 doors, and two sensitive facts unsaid: the missing stock history, and that the one IT person with the POS login is leaving in January.
The technical opener is not wrong because the questions are bad. Every one of them needs an answer before a model ships. It is wrong because they were asked of the wrong person, first, and the most important of them, whether the target was ever recorded, is the one that got lost.
The model that said "never". A constructed case with a common shape. A team is asked to predict a rare event, trains before anyone asks how often it happens, and reports a high accuracy score. The model has learned to predict that the event never happens, which is right almost every day and useless on the days that matter. Google's machine learning problem-framing guidance puts the fix where the bench puts it: define the success metric before building. Here that is her complaint-call count, and the base-rate question that makes a "never" model visible is the second question on the outcome door.
The efficient interview records the wrong target
4 min liveSixteen questions in 44 minutes, eight answers in the first ten. It opens every one of the six doors, and it feels like the best-run meeting in the building. On the bench it scores 15, below a shuffle, because five of the things in your notes are things she agreed to rather than things that are true, and the first of them is the target itself.
LiveWhy "I suppose so" is worse than silence2 min▶
A closed question that gets a "no" has taught you something. A leading question almost never gets a "no", because it carries its expected answer and the person across the table is being courteous, busy, or both. Rob Fitzpatrick's rules for customer conversations, as reported, apply without change: ask about specifics in the past, not opinions about the future, and treat agreement as the weakest kind of data. What comes back from a leading question is not information about her outlets; it is information about how agreeable she is, filed as if it were the first thing.
The bench prices each false belief at what building on it wastes. "The target is sales" costs 4: a model for a question nobody asked, and the second one Harbourline has paid for. "Daily predictions" costs 3: the van runs on Thursday, and a daily score changes nothing between runs. "Stock history is in the POS" costs 4: there is no stock history at all, and you find out when the training set will not join. "Optimise for accuracy" costs 3, because the two errors cost different amounts and she measures neither by accuracy. "The model replaces the pharmacist's check" costs 2, because the pharmacist looking at a shelf is the baseline any model has to beat, not the thing it removes. Five leading questions in six minutes, and the meeting stands at minus 16 before the first true fact.
Self-studyThe honest nuance: when a closed question is right2 min▶
Closed questions are not the villain; leading ones are. "Is the van run weekly?" is closed and gets a real fact for one minute, and the bench scores it so. The rule is about sequence: confirm with a closed question after an open one has shown you the shape of the answer, never before. And the anti-lever carries its own limit: a fast interview that asked only closed questions, no leading ones, would score higher than 15 and lower than the framework, because it would still learn nothing it did not walk in expecting. Note also that the fast interview opens all six doors. A door count on its own would call it a good meeting, which is why the counters are read net value first. The bench does not pretend that speed is the sin. Assuming is.
The scoping call that went perfectly. A constructed case with a familiar shape. A scientist runs a tight 40-minute scoping call with an operations head: sixteen questions, every one answered, a modelling plan by lunchtime. Sales forecast, daily, trained on the POS history, tuned for accuracy. Six weeks later there is no stock history to train on, the Thursday van makes the daily score pointless, and the plan is the one a vendor delivered last year. The operations head, asked why she agreed to all of it, says what people say: "You seemed to know what you wanted. I assumed you knew." The fix costs nothing but the sequence: ask for the outcome first, confirm second, never assume out loud.
Before session 4
30 min- Run your own meeting twice in the lower half of the bench: once with your session 1 sheet in your hand, once without. Write down the two scores, the minute at which you asked what a wrong guess costs, and which doors you left shut the second time.
- Sort your last real scoping call. Take the notes from a prediction request you actually scoped and mark each question you asked with its kind. Count the leading ones, and check whether the target in your notes was something she said or something you proposed.
- Change one number in the bank file and re-run. Double the cost of every false belief, or move the cost question to the end of the tuned order. Write one sentence on what moved and what did not; the ordering should survive, and if it does not, you have found the assumption the bench rests on.
- Bring your teach-back lines from your sheet, the three outcome ones first. Session 4 rewrites them for a person who has never seen a confusion matrix, and picks the one concept per meeting worth explaining properly.
Three questions
Clear all three and session 3 gets stamped in your passport.
1 · The efficient interview asks 16 questions, uncovers 11 facts and opens all six doors. Why does it score 15, below a shuffle?
Raw value 31 would be a middling meeting. The 16 points of false beliefs are the cost of building on sales, daily, stock history in the POS, accuracy, and replacing the pharmacist, none of which is true. It opens every door, which is why net value is read before doors. Speed is not the defect. Assuming out loud is.
2 · The Six Doors in printed order score 46; tuned outcome first for a scientist, 55. Both open with the same question. Where do the 9 points come from?
Both orders ask eleven questions and record no false beliefs. The printed order spends its second question on the base rate the first answer already gave, and never reaches the cost of each error or the success test. For a scientist those are the two answers a model is built and judged against.
3 · The technical opener asks "Do you have labelled ground truth for stock-out events?" first. It is the right question. Why does the meeting end with 4 facts and 3 doors?
The plain version is "Is there any record of past stock levels, or only of sales?" Asked early, with trust above zero, it gets the answer that decides whether there is a model at all: the spreadsheet is overwritten every Friday, so the first project may be recording stock-outs, not predicting them.
What this session teaches, and where it came from
Every fact on this page, and its verification tier, is recorded in the course's source map.
Session 3 cheat sheet · pin this
Every open question on the bench carried a second sentence, and she learned something from each. Session 4 is about that sentence: the curse of knowledge that makes yours too technical, the one concept per meeting worth explaining properly, and your teach-back lines rewritten for a person who has never seen a confusion matrix. By the end of a good scoping meeting she should be able to explain to her own board why a model that says "never" can look accurate and be useless, and it should be your sentence she uses.