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Learn Public Speaking with Phoebe · Session 5 of 6

Slides that support, not compete

The moment a slide goes up, the room has two things to attend to: you, and the screen. When both say the same sentence, the room reads ahead and stops listening. When each carries something the other cannot, they add up. Tonight: what a slide should show and what you should say over it, what one controlled study found about on-screen text that repeats the narration, why 10/20/30 is an opinion and what is still useful in it, and an audit that takes your planned slides down to the ones that earn their place.

🟠 Deeper Bring your list of planned slides Any slide tool, or paper 45 min
0-3 · Welcome 3-18 · Say it or show it, redundancy, 10/20/30 18-40 · Build-along: the slide audit 40-45 · Q&A
Part 0

Where we are

Noor Haddad, our constructed team lead, has her sentence ("From Monday we answer the customer who has waited longest first"), her opening and last line, a plan for her nerves and a measured pace. Then her director asks the reasonable question: "Can I see the slides?" Her first draft is nine slides, and every one of them is a paragraph of what she plans to say. Tonight you take your own planned slides through the same test she does: what is the room looking at, and what is it listening to, at each moment of the talk.

🎫 Clear all three quiz questions to stamp your passport Live = presented in the 45 minutes Self-study = the full depth, after class ★ Build-along = do it on your own talk

★ What you walk out with tonight. A list of every slide you planned with the sentence you will say over it; a keep, cut or move-to-card mark on each one; one text slide rewritten as a picture or a single number with a label; the moments you go to a blank screen on purpose; and a run without slides that tells you whether the slides were carrying the talk or just your notes.

Part 1 · covers say it or show it

A slide is a second channel, and it can compete with you

6 min live

A listener has eyes and ears, and a dense slide asks for both at once. Most people can read faster than you speak, so a slide full of sentences becomes the version they follow, and your voice turns into background. The fix is a division of labour: the slide shows what words cannot (the picture, the number, the comparison) and you say what the slide cannot (why it matters, what to do about it).

THE SLIDE SAYS WHAT YOU SAY THE SLIDE SHOWS WHAT YOU CANNOT SAY slide: your script, in bullets eyes: read ahead listener you ears: tuned out while reading under 4 h 6 days slide: one picture, two labels eyes: the gap listener you ears: why it matters Constructed slides. Two channels help only when they carry different things.
🔍 Click to zoom - a slide that repeats you wins the race to the listener; a slide that shows the gap leaves the why to you
LiveSay it or show it: one question per slide3 min▶

For every slide, ask what it shows that you could not say in a sentence. There are only three good answers:

  • A picture. Where the queue backs up, what the new report looks like, the screen the customer saw. Describing a picture in words takes a paragraph; showing it takes a glance.
  • A number that needs to be seen to be believed. "Six days" said aloud is a fact. "Six days" drawn next to "under four hours" is a gap the room can see the size of.
  • A comparison. Before and after, this team and that one, the average and the outlier. The eye compares two shapes faster than the ear compares two numbers said a sentence apart.

If the answer is "it shows the words I am saying", the slide is not a slide. It is your notes, put where the room can read them, and it will win the race to the room's attention every time.

LiveNoor's one picture2 min▶

Noor's second support is "the average that hid it". Her first draft (constructed) said it in three bullets: average reply time under four hours in one week of May; one customer in Lisbon waited six days for a refund reply in the same week; averages hide the tail. Read aloud, the three bullets take her a while, and the room has finished reading them long before she has.

The rewrite is one picture: a short bar labelled "under 4 h" and, under it, a long bar labelled "6 days". No sentence on the slide at all. Noor says the why over it: "Same week. The dashboard said we were fine. This customer did not think so." The slide carries the gap; she carries the meaning. Neither could do the other's job.

Self-studyWhere deck design lives, and where this page stops2 min▶

Building a deck as a story, one idea per visual, layout, type and chart choice are taught properly next door, in Visual Storytelling ↗ and AI PPT ↗. Use them to make the slide well. This page is about a narrower thing those courses cannot see from the desk: what the room's eyes and ears are doing at the same moment while you stand next to the slide and talk.

That is also why the test here is spoken, not visual. A beautiful slide can still compete with you if it carries the sentence you are about to say.

Real world

A familiar meeting. A presenter at a quarterly review puts up a slide of seven bullet points and starts reading the first one. By the time they reach the third, half the room is on bullet seven and someone asks a question about it. The presenter says "I'm getting to that", and the room has just learned that the slide is ahead of the speaker. Nobody did anything wrong; the slide was simply a faster channel carrying the same message.

Part 2 · covers identical text

Reading your slides aloud is the redundant version

5 min live

There is a controlled study close to this exact question. Yue, Bjork and Bjork (2013) gave students a narrated, animated slide lesson on the life cycle of a star and varied the text on screen. Text identical to the narration impaired learning. Shorter or slightly different text did better. And the students preferred the identical version: what felt helpful and what helped pointed in opposite directions.

SAME NARRATION, THREE KINDS OF ON-SCREEN TEXT 1 · identical text 2 · abridged text 3 · brief labels + narration + narration + narration on-screen text matches the narration word for word abridged, or slightly different from the narration a few words placed inside the animation brief label impaired learning did better than identical can improve learning learners preferred this one Yue, Bjork & Bjork (2013), Exp 1, N=105 students; a computer-paced lesson, not a live talk.
🔍 Click to zoom - the version learners liked best is the one that taught them least
LiveWhat the study did, and what it found3 min▶

Yue, Bjork and Bjork, "Reducing verbal redundancy in multimedia learning: An undesired desirable difficulty?" (Journal of Educational Psychology, 2013). The material was a narrated, animated PowerPoint on the life cycle of a star. Their first experiment had 105 participants. What changed between conditions was the on-screen text that ran alongside the same narration.

Their summary of the pattern, in their words: "exact correspondence between on-screen text and narration generally impairs learning, brief labels within an animation can improve learning." Text that was abridged or slightly different from the narration did better than text that matched it word for word.

The finding that matters most for a speaker is the one in the title. Learners preferred the identical text. It felt supportive. It was the version that hurt. Your own sense that "having the words on screen helps people follow" is exactly the judgement this study says you cannot trust from the inside.

LiveWhat the study does not show2 min▶

Scope, stated plainly: these were students taking a computer-paced multimedia lesson, with a recorded narrator, tested on what they learned. It is not a study of live talks, all-hands meetings or adult professionals in a room with a speaker they know. It also does not tell you how many words on a slide is too many, or rank every possible kind of slide.

What transfers is the mechanism, not the effect size: when the eye and the ear are handed the same words, one of the channels is wasted and the two can interfere. That is a reasonable thing to carry into a room, labelled as an inference from a lab lesson, not a measured fact about your all-hands.

Self-studyThe name you will see elsewhere1 min▶

In multimedia-learning research this family of findings is known as the redundancy principle, a term associated with Richard Mayer's work. His own statement of it was not read for this page, so it is named here and not quoted. If you read a summary that turns it into a precise rule ("never put any text on a slide"), go back to what the studies tested: narrated lessons, mostly computer-paced, mostly students.

Real world

The study itself is the real-world case. Yue, Bjork and Bjork set out to test something presenters do every day, putting the narration on screen, and found that it lowered learning while raising how much learners liked the lesson. Their title calls this "an undesired desirable difficulty": slightly less redundancy is harder in the moment and better afterwards. It is one study, with a clear scope, and it points the same way as the room's behaviour in Part 1.

Part 3 · covers the 10/20/30 rule

10/20/30 is one investor's opinion

4 min live

The most quoted slide rule there is comes from a blog post. Guy Kawasaki, writing on 30 December 2005, said "a PowerPoint presentation should have ten slides, last no more than twenty minutes, and contain no font smaller than thirty points." He was writing as a venture capitalist who sat through pitches. No study is cited. It is an experienced person's opinion, and worth reading as one.

THE RULE, TAKEN APART 10 slides stated reason: ten concepts is the most a meeting holds OPINION · no study cited 20 minutes basis: the pitch meetings he sat through as an investor OPINION · from experience 30-point font stated reason: the room reads ahead of you or: oldest person's age / 2 OPINION · a practical point Noor's 10-minute slot the rest of the rule's 20 minutes 10 slides per 20 minutes is one every 2 minutes: 5 for Noor's slot. Her audit lands on 4 (constructed).
🔍 Click to zoom - three numbers, three opinions; only the font rule hides a mechanism you can use
LiveWhat the post says, number by number2 min▶
  • Ten slides. His reason: "a normal human being cannot comprehend more than ten concepts in a meeting." That is asserted, not measured, and the number ten is doing a lot of work.
  • Twenty minutes. The basis is his experience of pitch meetings: the time a founder actually gets in front of investors. It is a fact about that room, not about yours.
  • Thirty-point font. His reason is that a room will "read ahead of you because it can read faster than you can speak." He also offers an alternative: divide the age of the oldest person in the room by two and use that as your minimum font size.

None of the three cites a study. Each is a seasoned investor's rule of thumb for pitches, published as a blog post in 2005.

LiveWhat survives, and why2 min▶

Two useful things, both mechanisms rather than numbers. First, few slides per idea: a talk with one throughline and three supports rarely needs more than a slide or two per support, which is where Noor ends up. Second, big type forces fewer words. You cannot fit a paragraph at thirty points, so the rule quietly removes the slide that competes with you. Notice that his reason for the font is the same mechanism as Part 1: the room reads faster than you speak.

What does not survive is the precision. There is no evidence here that ten is better than eight or twelve, or that twenty minutes is a limit for an all-hands. Use the rule as a prompt to cut, not as a standard to meet.

Self-studyConsistent with the neighbouring courses1 min▶

AI PPT ↗ treats 10/20/30 the same way: a widely repeated convention, asserted from experience, with no study behind it. If you meet it as a "proven rule" in a template or a training deck, the source is a single post by one investor, and you can say so politely.

Real world

Kawasaki's post, read at source. "The 10/20/30 Rule of PowerPoint", guykawasaki.com, 30 December 2005. It is short, it rests on his own experience rather than any cited study, and it is written for founders pitching venture capitalists. Read that way it is good advice for its room. The trouble starts only when the three numbers travel, without the room they came from, into every company template.

Build-along

The slide audit, on your own talk

★ 22 min · everyone builds

Six steps on the slides you planned, with Noor's constructed audit alongside. Work from a list, not from the slide tool: write each slide as one line, and next to it the sentence you will say while it is on screen. Most of the audit happens in that second column.

BEFORE · 9 TEXT SLIDES AFTER · 4 SLIDES agenda cut history cut regions to note average merged Lisbon picture reopens to note tooling to note Monday number questions? cut the audit Lisbon refund reply under 4 h 6 days blank: eyes on you 2+ days customers waiting more than two days 1 · the six-day wait 2 · average vs the wait 3 · the throughline 4 · the two-day number Constructed: 9 slides of about 45 words each become 4 slides of under 10 words each.
🔍 Click to zoom - five slides left the talk, and the one that stayed blank is where the throughline lands

List every planned slide with the sentence you will say over it. One line per slide, two columns. If you have not planned slides yet, list the moments where you think you will want one. Do not open the slide tool.

★ Step 1 · the listNoor (constructed), 9 slides: 1 agenda "Three things today..." 2 history since March "This started back in March..." 3 regional breakdown "By region, the picture differs..." 4 average reply time "Our average was under four hours..." 5 the Lisbon refund "Same week, one customer waited six days." 6 reopen pattern "Reopens went up when..." 7 tooling roadmap "Next quarter we'll..." 8 what changes Monday "From Monday, oldest first..." 9 questions? "Any questions?" yours: slide | sentence said over it

Mark each slide. S: it shows something words cannot (a picture, a number to be seen, a comparison), keep it. R: it repeats what you say, cut it to a label or delete it. N: you are reading it, so it is your notes; move it to a card in your hand.

★ Step 2 · S, R or N1 agenda R (say it; no slide) 2 history since March N (and it was cut in session 1) 3 regional breakdown N (to the one-page note) 4 average reply time R (merge with 5) 5 the Lisbon refund S (a picture of six days) 6 reopen pattern N (to the note) 7 tooling roadmap N (to the note) 8 what changes Monday R (keep one number only) 9 questions? R (Q&A comes before the last line)

Rewrite one text slide as a picture, or as one number plus a label. Pick your densest kept slide. Delete every sentence. Ask what the room should see, then draw that, with no more than a few words.

★ Step 3 · one rewritebefore (slide 4, constructed, about 45 words): "Average reply time: under 4 hours in the week of ... However, some customers waited much longer ... Averages can hide the long tail ..." after: short bar "under 4 h" long bar "6 days" said over it: "Same week. The dashboard said we were fine."

Decide the blank moments. Some moments need every eye on you: the throughline, the ask, the last line. Put a black or blank slide there on purpose, or press the key most slide tools offer for a black screen. A blank slide is a decision, not a gap.

★ Step 4 · blank on purposeNoor: blank for "From Monday we answer the customer who has waited longest first." blank for the ask: "When the average rises next week, ask me about the two-day number instead." yours: blank for ________________ and ________________

Count. Slides per support, and words per slide. These are not targets; they are a check. If one support has four slides and another has none, the slides are following your material, not your throughline.

★ Step 5 · countNoor, constructed: before 9 slides about 45 words each after 4 slides under 10 words each support 1 (six-day wait) 1 slide support 2 (average hid it) 1 slide support 3 (Monday) 1 slide throughline 1 blank yours: slides ____ most words on one slide ____

Run the talk twice: once with slides, once without. Record both on your phone. If the version without slides works just as well, the slides were notes, and you can cut further. If a moment falls flat without its slide, that slide is earning its place.

★ Step 6 · with and withoutNoor, constructed: without slides: the talk holds, except support 2. "Under four hours" and "six days" said a sentence apart do not land as a gap. verdict: keep slide 2 (average vs the wait); slide 1 and slide 4 are optional. yours: what fell flat without a slide? ________________

Keep the strip. Session 6 rehearses with it: you will run the talk on the clock with the four slides, and the blank moments become the ones you rehearse hardest, because nothing on the screen will help you there.

Homework

Before session 6

30 min
  1. Finish the audit on every slide, not just the one you rewrote in class. Keep the two-column list; it is your rehearsal script.
  2. Move every N slide to a card. One card, large writing, the throughline at the top. If the card is longer than the slides were, cut the card.
  3. Show your kept slides, without talking, to one colleague for five seconds each. Ask what each one shows. If they read you a sentence, the slide is still text.
  4. Record the with-and-without run if you did not finish it in class, and keep both files for session 6.
Check yourself

Three questions

Clear all three and session 5 gets stamped in your passport.

1 · In Yue, Bjork and Bjork (2013), what happened with on-screen text identical to the narration?

Identical text impaired learning while learners preferred it; abridged or slightly different text did better. D overreaches: the study used a computer-paced lesson with students, not live talks.

2 · What is the 10/20/30 rule based on?

Kawasaki's post states the rule and its reasons from his experience as a venture capitalist. It is opinion. What survives is the mechanism: few slides per idea, and big type forces fewer words.

3 · A speaker's planned slide reads "Our new process puts the oldest ticket first so that no customer waits too long", and that is exactly the sentence they will say over it. What should happen to it?

The slide repeats the speaker word for word, so the room reads it first and the voice is redundant. B is the feeling the study warns about: learners preferred identical text that taught them less. D makes the competing channel louder.

Sources covered

What this session teaches, and where it came from

✓Yue, C. L., Bjork, E. L., & Bjork, R. A. (2013). Journal of Educational Psychology, 105(2), 266-277Read at source; one line quoted. Scope: a computer-paced narrated lesson, students, Exp 1 N=105; not a study of live talks
◐The redundancy principle, as named in multimedia-learning researchNamed, not quoted: Mayer's own statement was not opened
✓Kawasaki, G. (2005, December 30). The 10/20/30 Rule of PowerPoint. guykawasaki.comRead at source; taught as opinion from pitch experience, no study cited
◐Deck design, story arc and one idea per visualNot repeated here: linked to Visual Storytelling and AI PPT
◐The slide audit (S, R or N; blank moments; with and without)A working method, taught as practice rather than a research finding; Noor and her slides are constructed

Every fact on this page, and its verification tier, is recorded in the course's source map.

Session 5 cheat sheet · pin this

Say it or show itThe slide shows the picture, the number, the comparison. You say the why.
Same words loseA slide that repeats you is read first. Your voice becomes background.
Liked is not learnedYue, Bjork & Bjork: identical text was preferred and taught less. Scope: lab lessons.
10/20/30 is opinionOne investor's 2005 post. Keep the mechanism: few slides, big type, fewer words.
S, R or NShows something, repeats you, or is your notes. Keep, cut to a label, or move to a card.
Blank on purposeThroughline, ask, last line: a blank screen puts every eye on you.